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General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 19, 2021, 01:48:08 PM »
None of that is going to can't have teams suddenly fielding understrength sides.... all the integrity of the league just disappears.

The solution is fairly obvious and SC has already suggested it....will probably take the NL an age to figure it out. You let the 7 clubs that voted to null and void stop for the season. You organise a mini league or knockout competition between the other 13. Top two or finalists go up to league 2.

Similarly, there is a vacant spot in the NL due to Macclesfield's demise. Let those that want to play on in step 2 have a knockout competition.......winner gets promoted to NL.
Something there for everyone...job done.......move on.

That just won't happen, as it would mean results going from the games against the 7 which the top sides that have something to lose from that won't accept, and league starting fresh with 13 teams, again something the teams with an advantage don't want. Then you have the fact it won't be in league rules and you can't just suddenly change the competition format.

The three options are, 1) stop playing all together. That could have big consequences because league could fine for not playing each game and eventually kick from the league. 2) One I mentioned about still playing but with basically largely youth/non furloughed/free players. 3), Continue as normal, racking up the debts or taking the loan on.

General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 19, 2021, 11:14:29 AM »
Not sure what is IC contract, as it's full time, but you can part time furlough staff. Since there's essentially going to be games basically Sat/Wed for rest of season near enough, I'd part time furlough him so he's managing just the Saturday/Midweek games, no training.

Furlough the whole squad that you can, leaves what McFadden, Kiwoyma, Denton and Gyasi available? Fill rest of the team up of the Youth Development, and bring in players (if they're available at no fee, and happy to play for free with just travel expenses covered for midweek/weekend) to make up rest of squad.

There's going to be no relegation as Step 2 is null & void, so don't **** around with clubs future by still paying everyone and trying to finish 20th. Because way season has gone, probably would be bottom 3 even after keeping everyone. So long term protect the club, do that. Worse case, the club is relegated but in a financial better position than if they plough ahead racking up bigger debts just to then only still get relegated or stay up. And approach next season with bigger debts, smaller budget, and get battered as a result before going down.

General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 14, 2021, 05:05:17 PM »
Must be looking at around 15k pw wage bill if so, which is mental.

General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 14, 2021, 12:08:28 PM »
Fully expect King's Lynn to do the same, but I guess for them it'll be once North/South are null & void so relegation is 100% off the table.

Be interesting if it does happen, if we see some former players return who'd be happy to play for free if expenses are covered such as travel (if they're available with no loss of earnings from work) such as Pedro etc. (that's if they're not on contracts with current clubs).

General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 08, 2021, 12:41:36 PM »

Well.....I hope I am wrong.....and will gladly accept being told so if it is in fact the case, but
1. I think the NL WILL continue......even if it's just to get to a position ppg can be used

This will be the interesting part for me. I feel Step 1 will continue and Step 2 will be null & void, in which case what do King's Lynn do? Continue ****ing money up the wall for nothing to gain, because they won't be making play offs and won't be relegated (as there'll be no relegation due to no promotion below)? Or furlough contracted players, and play a lot of the younger players, and accept quite a lot of big defeats over rest of season to save money.

Don't think King's Lynn would be only club contemplating this if Step 1 continues with no relegation.

General Discussion / Re: NL hoping to continue?
« on: February 07, 2021, 02:19:11 PM »
You can put some blame on the league, but don't forget Cleeve and many other clubs last season pushed hard for the league to be classed 'elite status' just so they could resume and chase promotion. Had they accepted their position like rest of non league, the argument wouldn't even be here now.

Non league has been a mess financially for years, and the start of the pandemic have just highlighted it even more about how short sighted a lot of clubs are and how many are happy to **** money away overnight.

General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 05, 2021, 03:54:37 PM »
No sympathy with Cleeve and King's Lynn situation, because everyone knew the situation going into this season would be financially tough. Instead of looking long term and keeping majority of squad who were on a lower wage, and going with what you got, they joined the mentality that every club has at this level, spend and aim high. There was no way with what they were spending from soon as promotion was secured, with just safety in mind, they were aiming higher. Season has been a near failure, so they're now trying to rescue situation. No doubt had Lynn been closer to play offs, Cleeve would be powering ahead.

General Discussion / Re: Resolutions
« on: February 04, 2021, 09:18:31 AM »
It always was going to be. Has nothing to do with player safety, and about who wants promotion. In North/South vast majority are not fussed about promotion, seeing there's no relegation they're happy for season to end. The bigger clubs (or clubs with money that can ride this out for a season/two) that don't want to waste another year at that level, are desperate to continue.

Same again in National League. I'd say only Dagenham/Lynn/Wealdstone/Weymouth/Dover/Barnet would be happy with season ending. Everyone else will want to continue, because the play offs are within reach, and the chance of getting into League 2. Yeovil/Woking are both towards lower end, but both have the financial backing to have a push for play offs still. Altrincham sensibly for their long term future of club would want to stop, but they're 3rd and have a wonderful dream of getting into League 2 so they won't stop. All about short-termism this.

If either leagues continue and the loans are taken on, this will be 100% something clubs moan about in 36 months time that it's crippling them. And I would have no sympathy.

General Discussion / Re: IC's view
« on: February 01, 2021, 04:32:58 PM »
Premier League is a huge money maker for the country and supports 1000s of jobs so that was never stopping, even more so if it did clubs would have to pay back around 2bn in TV money.

IC and King's Lynn only want the season ending because there'll likely be no relegation, and as a result be nothing to play for. Nothing to do with players safety etc. Majority of league will still have plans to push for promotion, so I can see the league continuing. North/South will stop as majority are not chasing promotion at all costs, so will be happy to stop.

General Discussion / Re: Wrexham at home
« on: January 31, 2021, 01:50:58 PM »
I do wonder if Cleeve/Culverhouse have took a gamble and know that there's going to be no relegation this season, so are using it as a free swing to basically overhaul the whole squad, ready for next season. Personally can't see McAuley/Jarvis there next season, and expect one or two more from the North winning side to go too. So from say Street - Jones, McAuley, Fryatt, Fox - Richards, Jarvis, Clunan, Henderson - Marriott, Gash, there'll be like 2 maybe 3 left, which is a huge turnover and the core of the team the fans got to love and connect with, disappear.

Really do think the team that come up last season with 3 additions would have done no worse than now. 14 points in last 15 games is poor stuff considering the wage bill is probably higher.

General Discussion / Re: Season under threat
« on: January 27, 2021, 10:36:43 AM »
Would be a suspension for this quarter, so till start of April, with teams furloughing till then my guess.

Then for it finish season, would need to be agreed that it'll be played till early July at latest (meaning basically end of season finishes, and new one starts like 3-4 weeks later). Quite a few teams would have say 26 games left to play on average. Say it resumes on 3rd April, going Sat/Midweek, after 26 games you'd be looking at season finishing Sat 3rd July (that's 27 slots). Move it a week later to Sat 10th July to allow 29 slots. Would be a hectic season, but doable if teams really wanted to play it.

I'd wager there's a high chance come May, crowds will be allowed back (maybe June at latest).

General Discussion / Re: Stockport at home Tues night. POSTPONED
« on: January 26, 2021, 01:50:08 PM »
Those covers working well  :laughcry:

General Discussion / Re: Stockport at home Tues night. POSTPONED
« on: January 25, 2021, 12:50:07 PM »
5-1 Stockport. Them to have a field day day with the crosses and Mair stranded on line as usual.

General Discussion / Re: Sat, Dagenham & Redbridge away. (Subject to)
« on: January 23, 2021, 04:57:00 PM »
Scored 2 at home all season, then score 3 today. Defence a joke once again.

General Discussion / Re: The options
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:55:55 AM »
Thinking it's looking increasingly likely that the league will be suspended, if that's the case I'm not sure what will happen. Just leave it suspended till May and cram it in from May - July? Surely unviable, but who knows.

Null & void, meaning no promotion from National League which a lot of clubs will not like one bit?

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