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Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« on: December 18, 2017, 10:00:15 AM »
A big welcome for a massive game today and not least to the Supporters, Directors and Players of Slough Town FC.  Slough have had an amazing season so far with a televised game against Rochdale being the prize for their FA Cup endeavours and I am sure that they have enjoyed the ride whilst it lasted as well as boosting the coffers with much needed funds.

 

We are missing a couple of key players today and so the lads will need all the support that you can give them to get them over the line, a lot of fans will feel that it is a must win game and I guess it could be argued it is as much a must win game as a don’t lose game.  Whatever happens it is bound to be a rollercoaster of emotions and I am sure that we are in for a fascinating game of football.

 

Time is very short for me today so I need to be brief as we have a lot to get through.

 

Firstly lets cover the pricing issue first. It was decided last season that 3 games this season would cost £ 3 more for entry save those fans that had bought season tickets or membership cards where the pricing would remain the same – benefits of being regular fans. I originally chose the boxing day fixture against St.Ives as one of those fixtures simply for the reason that there is a lot of visitors that time of year to the town and I doubt that many would be fussed about an admission price of £ 12 or £ 15 – you are either going to go to a game or not.  Social media went into uproar when the prices were announced and I decided to reverse the pricing policy for this game and make it at the usual prices, as the focus should be on the team on the pitch not on arguments over £ 3 off the pitch.

 

Now I understand party why this happened, fans with all due respect to St.Ives do not feel that they are worthy opponents for a £ 15 price ticket but are happy to pay the price for the Hereford’s and Kettering’s of this world and I can understand their point.  However their seems to be so many misconceptions over how much money we take at the gate and a lot of other issues so I will summarise the main gripes and answer them individually

 

1 We are being greedy. Greed would mean that someone is earning money out of the club and as all I do is put money in and others put in their time no one can be accused of being greedy

2 Wisbech is only £ 7 so one or two of our "fans" fancied dropping down a couple of leagues to watch their style of football.  Well I know what Wisbech’s budget is and it's around 20 -25% of our budget so if you follow that argument then their admission price should be 25% of £ 12 which is £ 3, so they are charging over double what they should be charging!

3  If we get 800 as an attendance we get £ 8,000 in gate receipts – complete nonsense.  Our gate includes carers and children, who do not pay,  season ticket holders who already have, Under 19’s at a greatly reduced price, sponsors, player guests etc and my guess is that only around 55% of the attendance are those paying full price and concessions.  If we had 800 of those paying full whack we would still lose money but it would be a massive step in the right direction

4 Reduce the price even further and  more will come – it’s a nice soundbite but a huge risk if it does not work. We had a pay what you want for our home tie against Attleborough with a suggest minimum donation of £ 5 and less than 8 people paid more than that price, so I ask you would you do in my shoes - reduce the price further in a gamble that we may get more fans in?

 

As fans we have to ask ourselves do we want a team playing attractive football and are we prepared to occasionally pay a little more for it to happen?  I was disappointed with the Redditch crowd, an attractive fixture on a Saturday, us being top of the league and yet the attendance was not great. I know that most of you reading these notes will not be responsible for that as you would have been here, and I know from emails that I have receieved that you were as disappointed as I was about the attendance.  Cutting prices does not get more people in, if that were true we would have 1000 children in every game as they do not pay at all. Sure price has an effect but it is not the be all and end all and we also need to try and run the club as sustainably as we can.

 

I know that we need to do more to entice fans in earlier and we are trying to put together a match highlights package and exclusive interviews to entice you to spend your money on beer here before a game as opposed to local pubs who keep it all themselves, but these things do take time as well as investment.

 

Anyway disappointed that I am with the reaction the cost for attending the St Ives game will be the same as every other game this season.

 

Moving on I am delighted that Darryn Faivelowitz of CTS Security here in King’s Lynn has committed to upgrade our CCTV system with HD cameras focusing on inside and outside the stadium.  Darryn along with Sam O’Callaghan from the Norfolk Building Company (who have put barbed wire up on the external fence) have answered our call to help when we had our intruder problem and I am very grateful to them both for their help. Both have provided their goods and labour on a complimentary basis to the club and I am sure that like me you are delighted that they have come to assist us in our time of need.

 

We will be running a Ray Hall soccer course in the February half term over 2 days and I am delighted to inform you that this will take place in Holt at Gresham’s school.  I have been working on this for a while and Gresham’s will become a great partner to our club and I will explain more about that venture in my next notes.  We will be putting on a free mini bus from King’s Lynn but capacity is at a maximum of 40 as we need to go indoors if the weather does not hold up (our last Feb course had over 50 budding footballers on it) so please book early at our web site.  Ray and I inspected Gresham's facilities recently and Ray rates the facilities as good as any level 2 acadamy and it is a real chance for us to develop a hub longer term in an area of the county where we have no presence and work in partnership with a go ahead school.  Please do not think that the school is in any way elitist it is quite the opposite, welcoming and inclusive, indeed they give full scholarships to some children who cannot afford the fees; something that is sadly not appreciated by everyone.  Gresham's themselves will be marketing the course to local children but I am giving you the heads up so you can book in early.

 

At this time of year I often reflect on how the year has gone and whilst there is always room for improvement I can see the building blocks being put into place that will allow this club to develop and grow and hopefully achieve league status one day. 

 

I appreciate that we do not always get everything right and for that I apologise, but there is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes to enable this club to fulfil its aims; we are all aiming for the same end result - success.

 

I would like to wish you all a happy Christmas and hope that you enjoy spending time with your families and if by boxing day you are feeling the effects of "cabin fever" you know where to come.

 

Enjoy the Game.

 

Stephen Cleeve
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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 12:05:45 PM »
Interesting comments from The Chairman, if a little worrying.  No 3  is a real worry.  If we would be losing Money with 800 full paying adults, how much are we haemorrhaging a week  with the gates we are getting ?

I never realised Holt was  such a hotbed for Soccer.  Gresham is a fee paying school, maybe we are trying to tap into the wealth there.  Though will anybody have ever heard of Ray Hall ?

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 12:25:36 PM »
I thought the notes were very informative, and explained a great deal, our Chairman seems to be on a hiding to nothing, he has made what I think are mistakes, but he has admitted this. Some of you out there need to get off his back. Look at the situation we are in now, a lack of home games, players etc. need to be paid, who dipping his hand in his pocket? What's another £3 quid on the admission? Some of you P---  more than that up the wall some nights. Happy Christmas Mr Chairman, and all loyal Lynn fans. 

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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 01:02:29 PM »
3 quid in admission is neither here nor there in the swing of things Mac.  The thing that bothered me was his statement that if he had 800 people x £12 (9.6K)  is not enough to  break even.   We aint getting an average of 800 people, let along 800 paying £12.  If the Chairman's figure's of 55% of people paying the full admission fee that gives income of just shy of 5k  plus what ever money comes through the gate on concessions etc.   Remember this is a team who are top of the League.

Is The whole thing sustainable ?  Are Things like Ray Hall's soccer school's going to make up the short fall ?

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 01:54:51 PM »
Personally I do not object to paying an extra £3.  If we want to progress, the money has to come from somewhere.  It would make financial sense to apply the increase to the three most attractive games thus ensuring a maximum income.  You will always get the few whingers who come on here but in my view, the attendances would not reduce. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 02:02:39 PM »
Heaven only knows who set the budget if 800 full paying customers would "still lose money" because whilst we all accept that not all of an attendance would be paying full whack, SC's comment about it being 55% paying full or concession rates mean the budget has been set on break even crowds of over 1140 (current average 756 x 45% non paying = 340 + 800 paying)

Much as I am sure these notes were an attempt to justify the £3 uplift and to 'share' some information, some serious questions need now to be asked about how sustainable the current set up is and how long SC is willing and able to cover the shortfall?

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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 02:20:27 PM »
Tony, maybe the Chairman is putting out a disguised plea for more fans to start attending.   Could be a 'use it or lose it'  scenario, with the suggestion that you have been warned.   Be interesting to understand how much of a weekly shortfall there  is.  Could amount to some serious money come the end of the season.  Then where do we go ?  The other thing to bare in mind is that the gate money received isn't nett either.    There is the little matter of 20% VAT come off those figures.


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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 04:46:04 PM »
Firstly lets cover the pricing issue first. It was decided last season that 3 games this season would cost £ 3 more for entry save those fans that had bought season tickets or membership cards where the pricing would remain the same – benefits of being regular fans... Im a regular fan , but due to work it dose not benefit me getting a season ticket.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 06:10:06 PM »
Tony, maybe the Chairman is putting out a disguised plea for more fans to start attending.   Could be a 'use it or lose'  scenario, with the suggestion that you have been warned.   Be interesting to understand how much of a weekly shortfall is.  Could amount to some serious money come the end of the season.  Then where do we go ?  The other thing to bare in mind is that the gate money received isn't nett either.    There is the little matter of 20% VAT come off those figures.

Mallard, I am not sure the programme is the place to look for more fans (preaching to the converted) but that doesn't mean the premise is wrong in terms of 'use it or lose it'. 

My guess at the weekly shortfall is looks something like this... taking SC's figures at face value if currently 55% are 'paying customers' that would be 416 and if 800 won't break even then we are looking at £4000 per home game ~ 400 @ £10 (assuming all are full adult paying £12 inc VAT). 

This is my concern at how the £3 is being touted as some sort of 'golden bullet', if you assume for the three games we got 1600 @ £2.50 (£3 less VAT) this would only produce £4000 extra, obviously 'every little helps' but that would only cover the shortfall we are generating at a single home game, let alone what the deficit would add up to come the end of the season.  I appreciate our early exits from both cup competitions didn't help by reducing our income form 'other' sources but really this model is looking less and less viable and you would guess something will have to give sooner rather than later.  As for chasing promotion, be careful what you wish for, and I stick by my stance at the start of the season, success would be an (ultimately unsuccessful) play-off place and a cup run.

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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 06:15:22 PM »
Programme isn't exclusive to people who are at the game Tony, as this weeks game was postponed so is free to view online. As I think all The Chairmans notes are.

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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 07:54:18 PM »
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Nice to see my football club @wisbechtownfc featured in Cleeve's program drivel this week , as using us as a comparison for trying to rob his own loyal fans over Christmas  🙄🙄


I can't see how the two are can be compared unless  Mr Cleeve is suggesting that the budget of both clubs is resulting in them both making the same kind of loss.
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Re: Program notes from Saturdays postponed game
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 06:26:46 PM »
Is this the same Gary Setchell who posted a photo having a great FREE christmas meal at the George Hotel last year.  :yellow card:

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 06:52:46 PM »
Last year the meal at the George was a works outing?  :laughcry: :laughcry: :laughcry:
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 08:32:20 PM »
Is this the same Gary Setchell who posted a photo having a great FREE christmas meal at the George Hotel last year.  :yellow card:

yep. a condemned man usually gets a good meal before the noose tightens.  :sad:

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 09:24:36 PM »
There’s only one Gary Setchell