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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2021, 12:26:10 AM »
Definitely yes bring back Pedro.
Suppose defty and Beaumont too
Move on Ped wasn’t bomb proof
Jones is a decent keeper and at fault for one off theirs , some good saves 1st half  team in front let him down today

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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2021, 09:37:08 AM »
The problem with football, as a supporter, is we all get involved emotionally.

Take the emotion away and deal with facts.

Culverhouse as a manager warrants more time - assuming he wants to stay

I have previously questioned the credentials of IC's team - Bastock seems a bit of a character, but how good is he, really??

Also Backie - now I know Backie is held in high esteem amongst fans and I'm sure there are probably people on here who know him personally, but.......how qualified / good is he to be a Director Of Football??
Who would be his contacts within the game??
How respected within the world of football is he??

To me, it's the players who aren't quite up to it and possibly the backroom staff - it isn't Ian Culverhouse.

I know IC should be judged over the course of a season, but there is no way he can be blamed for the daft decisions on the pitch and the mistakes on the pitch today

Good post. I.m.o. a lot of the players are not good enough, whether that’s down to IC’s mistakes in wanting them or they are the best we could get with the money available?. And as far as your comments about the credentials and quality of his back up team…then I think that’s a very relevant question to be asking!!….as likeable and “local” as they are, questions really have to be asked whether they have the experience or contacts at this level of PROFESSIONAL football to be up to the job.
I.m.o. the only chance for Lynn to survive both on and off the pitch this season is to bring in at least three better players and for IC to have some stronger back up, off the pitch. Now, both those things will involve more money and also whether IC would be happy to carry on if his assistants were replaced, are both HUGE “IF’S” but without those things happening it’s as sure as next month is December that Lynn will get relegated and almost as sure too  that there will be a nasty “explosion” come the end of the season too, OFF the pitch :(
Sad times when really it should have been great times with the club at the highest level it’s ever been, but it really looks like it’s one level too high for any kind of sustainability.

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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2021, 09:49:28 AM »
Even after Wrexham, people seem in denial....not a true reflection, small margins etc.

Let's look at the table and the record at The Walks this season and be completely honest.

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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2021, 10:12:22 AM »
The problem with football, as a supporter, is we all get involved emotionally.

Take the emotion away and deal with facts.

Culverhouse as a manager warrants more time - assuming he wants to stay

I have previously questioned the credentials of IC's team - Bastock seems a bit of a character, but how good is he, really??

Also Backie - now I know Backie is held in high esteem amongst fans and I'm sure there are probably people on here who know him personally, but.......how qualified / good is he to be a Director Of Football??
Who would be his contacts within the game??
How respected within the world of football is he??

To me, it's the players who aren't quite up to it and possibly the backroom staff - it isn't Ian Culverhouse.

I know IC should be judged over the course of a season, but there is no way he can be blamed for the daft decisions on the pitch and the mistakes on the pitch today

Good post. I.m.o. a lot of the players are not good enough, whether that’s down to IC’s mistakes in wanting them or they are the best we could get with the money available?. And as far as your comments about the credentials and quality of his back up team…then I think that’s a very relevant question to be asking!!….as likeable and “local” as they are, questions really have to be asked whether they have the experience or contacts at this level of PROFESSIONAL football to be up to the job.
I.m.o. the only chance for Lynn to survive both on and off the pitch this season is to bring in at least three better players and for IC to have some stronger back up, off the pitch. Now, both those things will involve more money and also whether IC would be happy to carry on if his assistants were replaced, are both HUGE “IF’S” but without those things happening it’s as sure as next month is December that Lynn will get relegated and almost as sure too  that there will be a nasty “explosion” come the end of the season too, OFF the pitch :(
Sad times when really it should have been great times with the club at the highest level it’s ever been, but it really looks like it’s one level too high for any kind of sustainability.

Very good post and response, irespective of people agreeing with all, part or none of it. Good discussion points.

The Club as a whole appears to be struggling at this level. Who knows, if last season and the season before had not been effected as they were, these shortcomings may well have become evident before now.

Neither of the posts mention the Chairman. If the people already mentioned are, shall we say, punching above their weight, can the same be said about him? After all, he ultimately  makes all the appointments for every position at the Club.

Should the question not be if we can rectify these issues for this season, but can they be rectified at all with how things appear to done at the Club?  :dontknow:
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2021, 10:59:28 AM »
Yes good points. Not sure I agree with the stance taken in the post, myself. I have to confess I am on the fence re IC at the moment. Fantastic achievements at step 3 and step 2. Really struggled last season to get "his style" to work at this level, lost his mojo for a while, changed the style........had a chat with an experienced head at this level and decided to go back to and stick with his philosophy going forward. Had half a season as a "gimme" to assess the other sides and determine what we needed for this season. Apparently wanted to go full time to get the right calibre of player in. Has almost managed it with the defence although the side could do with 3 experienced guys down the backbone of the side...ch, cm,cf for the side to really hold together and be effective.
Recruitment of the strikers has come up very short. Still playing his open style, 14 games in, with only 8 points on the board. Personally feel we need to play a little bit tighter and "play" when we are in the opponent's half, but be a little more direct in our own half....not advocating hoof ball, but so many goals given away by sloppy passes in our own half.........this season isn't really about trying to out play anybody, it's about getting enough points on the board...... Weymouth and Wealdstone et al, seem to be digging in and are just about doing enough.

Is IC willing to modify the style and has he the confidence in his own abilities and the required nous to get the better of the opposing coach at this level ? If he were to go, who on earth could be found to take this on and make it better ? Can we honestly say we look more likely to win a game now, than we did at the start of the season ? I just feel, if little changes, say just one new forward , in the next 6 games, we will be no better than played 20 points 12 and we will effectively be already relegated.
Should that happen, then I think given the finances and the fact that NLN is such a slog, given Lynn's geographical situation, I can see the whole thing imploding

 

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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2021, 11:11:35 AM »
A lot of sense from KES there.  Playing the blame game is all well and good.  Results are what they are this season.  IC is not a bad Manager, but he needs to be given the tools to work with.   Is the Chairman a good owner ?  Has he given IC the tools to do the job ?

If the relationship between Manager and Chairman is fractured beyond repair then who is going to break cover first ?   SC to get rid of IC will cost the Club in terms of paying up his contract.  ( remember Simon Clark had to be paid off).  If IC stays how much of his heart will be there to do the job?

The things is a mess.  Who is going to break cover first.

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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2021, 11:14:19 AM »
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.

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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2021, 11:20:23 AM »
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.

Hi Kes. I totally agree with what you are saying there, but that didn't really answer the question.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2021, 11:36:40 AM »
Re SC , B & G, it's his dream that has got Lynn this far......it seems unlikely that there will be large scale changes in the running of the club or any devolution of power. It either works this season with the current set up or it doesn't..... that's how I think it will pan out.

Hi Kes. I totally agree with what you are saying there, but that didn't really answer the question.



If and it's a huge if, a way can be found to finish the season out of the bottom 3, then the question won't be addressed, it will just be kicked down the road. My view in direct answer to your question : No

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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2021, 12:25:28 PM »
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2021, 12:33:06 PM »
So we have a £500k loan that will be spent on competing the League last season and trying to keep in it this season.   What happens next season ?  No loan money, gates falling, no commercial activity of any significance.  So where does the money come to run with next season ?  Stephen Cleeve gonna dig deep and fund it ?

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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2021, 12:38:24 PM »
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

Ok so we sack Culverhouse.  Then what ?  IC left last time and look what the Chairman brought to the club.  Hardly inspiring was it.  Luckily. Back and Fryatt steadied the ship and Back had the foresight to broker a deal to bring IC back.

Just sometimes we need to careful what we wish for.

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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2021, 12:58:28 PM »
If I were S.C I would leave twitter alone...he has been absolutely demolished by fans ...Wrexham and Lynn not good reading.He is getting quite a reputation.

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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2021, 01:44:02 PM »
Think you have to sack Culverhouse, and get someone else in if you want to compete at this level. Some of the signings this season, suggest Cleeve wants to be at this level, so he now needs to bite the bullet and fork out the compensation.

Said it last season, for the quality that's been returned for money spent, club should've kept the side that got up and only added 3-4 players.

Ok so we sack Culverhouse.  Then what ?  IC left last time and look what the Chairman brought to the club.  Hardly inspiring was it.  Luckily. Back and Fryatt steadied the ship and Back had the foresight to broker a deal to bring IC back.

Just sometimes we need to careful what we wish for.

That is the reality. Are we certain that there are quality coaches / managers out there viewing the current set up as an attractive proposition and career advancement....I think that to be highly unlikely.

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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2021, 02:29:58 PM »
So which players are we saying isn’t good enough in the team ???
Definitely front line I see as a problem yes gold n lints played well but IMO neither consistent or going to get us 15/20 goals this season which we will need if our collapse yesterday by the defence is a sign  … yet only fortnight ago there’s posts saying how much better we are at the back … tbh thought Wrexham could of had a couple before we scored if it wasn’t for Jones … now more worryingly more injuries

 

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