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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2023, 05:00:44 PM »
Why do people keep talking about  IC's side. It's history, you can't compare the two different sides.  Yes we've lost our way and have done so for several weeks. However we got relegated under IC and have a better side this year in my opinion. Team selection not always correct but we are still in with a chance! maybe!  :scarf:   

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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2023, 07:08:06 PM »
Why do people keep talking about  IC's side. It's history, you can't compare the two different sides.  Yes we've lost our way and have done so for several weeks. However we got relegated under IC and have a better side this year in my opinion. Team selection not always correct but we are still in with a chance! maybe!  :scarf:
Cully side would whip a TW side any day of the week . Nothing against Tommy heís done well but personally heís not a happy man and would be very surprised if heís here next season . Heís getting like cully though and not changing when all can see itís not happening for some players on the pitch .

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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2023, 07:14:17 PM »
Anton I think you will find Tommy was in charge when we actually got relegated.   He couldnít save a sinking ship.

Culverhouse got us promoted running with a part time squad, which was a fantastic achievement when competing with a lot of full time Clubs at this level.  History indeed as you say,  but something that should not be forgotten.   Will Widderington achieve the same with a full time squad via the play offs ?   That remains to be seen.  Based on recent form, I have grave doubts.
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2023, 07:37:09 PM »


Joey, please speak up more often.

I agree with so much of what you say. Although, the ground should be a difficult place to come and play for away sides, it shouldn't be because of outright intimidation, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. It should be because of the positive support shown toward the players, officials and all involved with the home club. NOT because of a negativity toward the opposition or officials. I say this within the realism that is football. BUT, tell you what, I was able to shake hands with every Fylde fan last night, and have a reasonable conversation with them.

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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2023, 07:38:39 PM »
I wonder to what extent we are looking further than the end of this season, when there will be some major issues to address?

Full or part time?

Admission pricing level and structure.....If Mr Cleeve raises prices and we remain at this level, he will likely see even more being selective in their choice of which matches they can afford to attend. If we get promoted, he will probably take the risk, banking on well supported opposition teams making up the shortfall. After all we are only customers.

At least being in the play offs will provide some adfitional revenue - so not a bad financial outcome to tthe season?

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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2023, 08:34:32 PM »
Anton I think you will find Tommy was in charge when we actually got relegated.   He couldnít save a sinking ship.

Culverhouse got us promoted running with a part time squad, which was a fantastic achievement when competing with a lot of full time Clubs at this level.  History indeed as you say,  but something that should not be forgotten.   Will Widderington achieve the same with a full time squad via the play offs ?   That remains to be seen.  Based on recent form, I have grave doubts.
I here what you say however the outcome was in no doubt even before Tommy was in charge. Maybe we all expect too much? It could even be the lower league suits us better as one of the best in that Div. As many I'm so frustrated with the last 7 or 8 games. We should be better! :scarf:

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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2023, 10:29:53 PM »
Anton I think you will find Tommy was in charge when we actually got relegated.   He couldnít save a sinking ship.

Culverhouse got us promoted running with a part time squad, which was a fantastic achievement when competing with a lot of full time Clubs at this level.  History indeed as you say,  but something that should not be forgotten.   Will Widderington achieve the same with a full time squad via the play offs ?   That remains to be seen.  Based on recent form, I have grave doubts.
I here what you say however the outcome was in no doubt even before Tommy was in charge. Maybe we all expect too much? It could even be the lower league suits us better as one of the best in that Div. As many I'm so frustrated with the last 7 or 8 games. We should be better! :scarf:
Sorry Anton, but history will show IC got 2 successive promotions and TW one relegation. Granted, TW had his work cut out, but as Iíve said before, he banged on that we only needed to gain one league position to stay up, he never achieved that. Iím not knocking him, or wish to compare him, he is very passionate and wants to be with successful with Kingís Lynn, that is clear to see. He knows that the buck stops with him and Iím sure he feels the pressure, even if he doesnít admit to it. We donít have the right to promotion, it has to be earned.
We are assured a play off spot, Tommy needs to decide on his best starting 11, because at the moment it isnít quite working. Should we miss out, then I would like to see TW stay for another season.

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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2023, 10:51:14 PM »
We are assured a play off spot, Tommy needs to decide on his best starting 11, because at the moment it isnít quite working. Should we miss out, then I would like to see TW stay for another season.

If we miss out, I think Tommy could be tempted to stay on two main conditions.

1) He's still managing a full time squad.

2) He's given the right budget for the job.

Personally I'd like to see him have another go at it as I would guess he's learned a lot this season and the experience he's gained could be very valuable going forward (on and off the pitch). I also think that Tommy has done well for us overall, as he probably has the most difficult job in non league football.


If he goes, and the club reverts back to part time, it's going to be a massive task for whoever comes in. You'd think that most of the current squad would depart and go looking for another full time club. That would mean recruiting nearly a whole new squad between seasons, and getting them up and running before the new season starts.

That's not going to be very easy.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2023, 07:22:49 AM »
To be fair and for  balance Tommy has lost some big players through injury.   Jones, Scott, Denton and Hargreaves are all names that would be in the starting 11.   There lies the rub.  The recruitment and or the money has been wanting. Then again if SC is paying out circa 71k a year for a Manager then itís not a bottomless pit.  I guess Managers canít have it both ways.

With those 4 missing players in the team I think we would have collected more than the 8 points from a possible 18 that have been taken in the last 6 games. 
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2023, 08:06:42 AM »
I wouldnít disagree about having important players missing, but would think thatís not a lot different to most other clubs during the season.   :dontknow:
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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2023, 10:44:09 AM »
A Well Wisher, as some of our supporters see themselves as "customers" , if you go into Tesco , you pay your money but are not happy with what was on display or the staff .....do you seek out the manager and verbally abuse him in public?
No, you get in your car and moan about it all the way home.
So why is it acceptable to verbally abuse the manager and staff at Football? Is it because you're big in front of your mates, half tanked up or because the wife isn't there and you can speak your mind?
Just the same as you can with Tesco, if you dont like whats on offer go elsewhere! (other Supermarkets are available)

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« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2023, 11:13:03 AM »
Anton I think you will find Tommy was in charge when we actually got relegated.   He couldnít save a sinking ship.

Culverhouse got us promoted running with a part time squad, which was a fantastic achievement when competing with a lot of full time Clubs at this level.  History indeed as you say,  but something that should not be forgotten.   Will Widderington achieve the same with a full time squad via the play offs ?   That remains to be seen.  Based on recent form, I have grave doubts.
I here what you say however the outcome was in no doubt even before Tommy was in charge. Maybe we all expect too much? It could even be the lower league suits us better as one of the best in that Div. As many I'm so frustrated with the last 7 or 8 games. We should be better! :scarf:
Sorry Anton, but history will show IC got 2 successive promotions and TW one relegation. Granted, TW had his work cut out, but as Iíve said before, he banged on that we only needed to gain one league position to stay up, he never achieved that. Iím not knocking him, or wish to compare him, he is very passionate and wants to be with successful with Kingís Lynn, that is clear to see. He knows that the buck stops with him and Iím sure he feels the pressure, even if he doesnít admit to it. We donít have the right to promotion, it has to be earned.
We are assured a play off spot, Tommy needs to decide on his best starting 11, because at the moment it isnít quite working. Should we miss out, then I would like to see TW stay for another season.
Fair comment. Lets just hope our last few games are wins ready for the play-offs.. Anything can happen in football

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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2023, 03:51:31 PM »
We are assured a play off spot, Tommy needs to decide on his best starting 11, because at the moment it isnít quite working. Should we miss out, then I would like to see TW stay for another season.

If we miss out, I think Tommy could be tempted to stay on two main conditions.

1) He's still managing a full time squad.

2) He's given the right budget for the job.

Personally I'd like to see him have another go at it as I would guess he's learned a lot this season and the experience he's gained could be very valuable going forward (on and off the pitch). I also think that Tommy has done well for us overall, as he probably has the most difficult job in non league football.


If he goes, and the club reverts back to part time, it's going to be a massive task for whoever comes in. You'd think that most of the current squad would depart and go looking for another full time club. That would mean recruiting nearly a whole new squad between seasons, and getting them up and running before the new season starts.

That's not going to be very easy.

If the worse case happened, failed in the play offs, TW leaves and club goes back to PT. I genuinely could see IC coming back for a 3rd spell  :laughcry: Darren Ferguson stuff.

Hopefully it's play off success, because I do believe with just the right one/two additions, this side can stay up in National League. It won't need ripping apart, and doing that last time is what cost the club IMO. Lost all momentum, and the buy in from the players that got the club there. The step up from competing in the top 2/3 spaces in North/South and lower half of National League, is nothing if you are a full time club.

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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2023, 04:00:55 PM »
We are assured a play off spot, Tommy needs to decide on his best starting 11, because at the moment it isnít quite working. Should we miss out, then I would like to see TW stay for another season.

If we miss out, I think Tommy could be tempted to stay on two main conditions.

1) He's still managing a full time squad.

2) He's given the right budget for the job.

Personally I'd like to see him have another go at it as I would guess he's learned a lot this season and the experience he's gained could be very valuable going forward (on and off the pitch). I also think that Tommy has done well for us overall, as he probably has the most difficult job in non league football.


If he goes, and the club reverts back to part time, it's going to be a massive task for whoever comes in. You'd think that most of the current squad would depart and go looking for another full time club. That would mean recruiting nearly a whole new squad between seasons, and getting them up and running before the new season starts.

That's not going to be very easy.

If the worse case happened, failed in the play offs, TW leaves and club goes back to PT. I genuinely could see IC coming back for a 3rd spell  :laughcry: Darren Ferguson stuff.

Hopefully it's play off success, because I do believe with just the right one/two additions, this side can stay up in National League. It won't need ripping apart, and doing that last time is what cost the club IMO. Lost all momentum, and the buy in from the players that got the club there. The step up from competing in the top 2/3 spaces in North/South and lower half of National League, is nothing if you are a full time club.

I think  there would be a far better chance of Setch coming back than IC.

He seems to be working some magic at the moment.
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2023, 04:10:40 PM »
Setch is doing a cracking job at Corby.  Won the last 7 on the spin to now sit inside the play off places.   Did a great job at Bedford last season.  Strange decision to get rid of him during this season by Bedford.  They must be regretting that one now.

As for IC coming back.  I canít see him ever wanting to work for SC again.  Anyway he looks to have turned it around at Boston.  Be interesting to see how they go next year.  If Lynn go part time I wouldnít be surprised to see Clunan and Jones heading up the A17 next season.
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