Spennymoor drag themselves back into contention for a play off place with a home win this evening.
They are now just 3 points behind the Linnets but have a game in hand. If they use this game to draw level on points, they have a plus 19 goal difference advantage.
All getting very tight and an interesting run in.
:scarf:
Looking at Saturdays fixtures on paper it looks like Lynn need to win and a favour from Chester v Curzon Ashton.
Tickets for remaining home matches available now.
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Book early to help Stephen Cleeve pay his fine.
Fine ? What's he been up to this time ? Would have thought the Club needs every penny for the run in to get to the play offs
Quote from: Mallard on March 26, 2025, 09:34:15 PM
Fine ? What's he been up to this time ? Would have thought the Club needs every penny for the run in to get to the play offs
Apparently a £200 fine and a warning, for comments made on Social Media.
Social media facilitates an environment that encourages keyboard warriers to make comments online that they would think twice about saying 'face to face'.
I thought the bloke had stopped with his childish outbursts. Clearly I was wrong 🙄
Whoever's in charge these days needs to yank on his choke chain 🔗 and bring him back to heel 🤐
I really don't care if he wants to make a fool of himself, but when he continues to make a fool of the club, I draw the line 😾
Leopards and spots?
Quote from: rod on March 27, 2025, 07:44:50 PM
Leopards and spots?
Unfortunately you're absolutely right 🐆⚫🐆⚫🐆⚫
Perhaps a hole 🕳️ would be more useful than spots under the circumstances...a very big hole... and quite deep, I should think 🤔 Hmm 🤨
Rod, I think these also apply : bears and woods, eels and buckets, sacks and monkeys.
Quite a repertoire, all in all, as Jo has discovered.
Quote from: kenny r on March 28, 2025, 08:55:41 PM
Rod, I think these also apply : bears and woods, eels and buckets, sacks and monkeys.
Quite a repertoire, all in all, as Jo has discovered.
Is he still around and helping us out?
As it's been nearly a year since SC gave us all the benefit of his wisdom via the medium of his podcast then he could up date us on the situation with regard to Jo and Bal.
Has anyone heard any ideas on what is happening with the structure of the Club ? Maybe we will have to wait until the end of the season
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 28, 2025, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: kenny r on March 28, 2025, 08:55:41 PM
Rod, I think these also apply : bears and woods, eels and buckets, sacks and monkeys.
Quite a repertoire, all in all, as Jo has discovered.
Is he still around and helping us out?
"Us"..........
Quote from: Paul47 on March 28, 2025, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 28, 2025, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: kenny r on March 28, 2025, 08:55:41 PM
Rod, I think these also apply : bears and woods, eels and buckets, sacks and monkeys.
Quite a repertoire, all in all, as Jo has discovered.
Is he still around and helping us out?
"Us"..........
Sorry, you are of course 100% correct.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Is Joe still around and helping Cleeve out?
This is one hobby that doesn't come cheap.
Let's be honest here the whole Cleeve,Jo,Bal situation is making a mockery of the fans and the club.The ridiculous secrecy of it all is only adding to the farce.
We are now entering the business end of the season with 3 massive home games against teams with huge fan bases.
Start letting the fans in on what's going on.
When the Clubs gets the begging bowl out we are fans. With regard to anything to do with the internal workings of the Club we are customers. :mystic:
Quote from: Mallard on March 29, 2025, 10:01:25 AM
When the Clubs gets the begging bowl out we are fans. With regard to anything to do with the internal workings of the Club we are customers. :mystic:
This line keeps getting repeated over and over.
I wonder will Lynn fans ever do something progressive about the situation........or will they just sit there, in the dark,having their noses rubbed in it and just moan every so often.
Surely if you want to know what's going on inside your club, get together, issue a statement and refuse to attend matches until you get some answers......it is your club after all.
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: Mallard on March 29, 2025, 10:01:25 AM
When the Clubs gets the begging bowl out we are fans. With regard to anything to do with the internal workings of the Club we are customers. :mystic:
This line keeps getting repeated over and over.
I wonder will Lynn fans ever do something progressive about the situation........or will they just sit there, in the dark,having their noses rubbed in it and just moan every so often.
Surely if you want to know what's going on inside your club, get together, issue a statement and refuse to attend matches until you get some answers......it is your club after all.
I don't think anyone would have me down as an SC apologist but really don't think talk of refusing to attend matches does much to advance the conversation. I know there are supporters who no longer attend regularly for various reasons, including how the club is organised, but that is their individual choice and a world away from an organised boycott. Personally I think it would be better to positively campaign for something like what is being proposed at Scunthorpe - https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2025/march/become-one-of-the-voices-of-the-fans-at-scunthorpe-united/ and something similar was muted at the Walks when Barrie Peirpont was briefly involved at the club. Maybe SC could discuss this with his Scunthorpe counterparts when they come down over Easter?
As for the SC / Jo ownership issue, all we really know is that the club was still 100% owned by Mr & Mrs Cleeve on the 14th March as this is the day the NL check club websites to ensure ownership details are up to date (they must inform the league within three days of a change but only need to have the website up to date once a year!). Easy to speculate that maybe Jo is going cold on the deal and/or SC is still holding out for the possibility of another interested buyer should the club get into the playoffs and somehow achieve promotion but where the negotiations (if there are any) really stand is only known by the parties themselves and personally I am comfortable with that - there is no reason for a running commentary although if (say) everything is on hold until the end of the season I see no reason why that couldn't be communicated.
Quote from: TonyM on March 29, 2025, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: Mallard on March 29, 2025, 10:01:25 AM
When the Clubs gets the begging bowl out we are fans. With regard to anything to do with the internal workings of the Club we are customers. :mystic:
This line keeps getting repeated over and over.
I wonder will Lynn fans ever do something progressive about the situation........or will they just sit there, in the dark,having their noses rubbed in it and just moan every so often.
Surely if you want to know what's going on inside your club, get together, issue a statement and refuse to attend matches until you get some answers......it is your club after all.
I don't think anyone would have me down as an SC apologist but really don't think talk of refusing to attend matches does much to advance the conversation. I know there are supporters who no longer attend regularly for various reasons, including how the club is organised, but that is their individual choice and a world away from an organised boycott. Personally I think it would be better to positively campaign for something like what is being proposed at Scunthorpe - https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2025/march/become-one-of-the-voices-of-the-fans-at-scunthorpe-united/ and something similar was muted at the Walks when Barrie Peirpont was briefly involved at the club. Maybe SC could discuss this with his Scunthorpe counterparts when they come down over Easter?
As for the SC / Jo ownership issue, all we really know is that the club was still 100% owned by Mr & Mrs Cleeve on the 14th March as this is the day the NL check club websites to ensure ownership details are up to date (they must inform the league within three days of a change but only need to have the website up to date once a year!). Easy to speculate that maybe Jo is going cold on the deal and/or SC is still holding out for the possibility of another interested buyer should the club get into the playoffs and somehow achieve promotion but where the negotiations (if there are any) really stand is only known by the parties themselves and personally I am comfortable with that - there is no reason for a running commentary although if (say) everything is on hold until the end of the season I see no reason why that couldn't be communicated.
I agree with Tony. Any group led/group inspired boycott of games isn't the way forward. It would serve no beneficial purpose to anyone.
Short term it would cause the Club problems with finances.
Long term it would be in danger of dividing supporters.
Despite a very few still trying to do this (failing), you can feel that supporters are closer together than they have been for a long time. This is almost certainly due to concern for the future of the Club, not helped by the silence over Jo and Bal and investment which is quite clearly needed to survive at this level.
However, the fact that a Supporter has even thought of the idea, surely must alert the Chairman to potential problems which only he can rectify.
While fans may not be involved in an organised no show protest surely the same thing is almost happening by default ? I know from a personal level I have nowhere near the same commitment to attend games as I once had. I would suggest I'm not alone in this. I'd love to feel like I want to attend every home game but sadly the Cleeve rein has sucked that desire from me. It has the feel of its his Club and it's his way or no way.
IF the Club is taken over by owners who are proactive toward the fan base then the reset button may well be pressed for a lot of fans who no longer attend.
Quote from: Blue_and_Gold on March 29, 2025, 01:50:43 PM
...you can feel that supporters are closer together than they have been for a long time. This is almost certainly due to concern for the future of the Club, not helped by the silence over Jo and Bal and investment which is quite clearly needed to survive at this level.
As I have only been once this season, I will take your word for this and if it is the case then that can only be a good thing, whatever the underlying reason, and might potentially be something a new owner (if that is what eventually transpires) could tap into rather than the 'divide and conquer' attitude seen by the two owners since the club reformed.
Thanks for your valued replies Tony and B&G.
Both of you know a little bit more about the current internal machinations of the club than I.
You seem to be suggesting that SC may have soften his stance towards " Community " aspects and maybe The Trust. If that is the case I am very pleasantly surprised. If it is not the case, then to my mind your suggestions amount to laissez faire and little will change till next season and possibly beyond. Playing a waiting game for the owner to run out of options or find someone else to run things with a similar modus operandi could be a long game...indeed it already is.
You both seem to denounce the idea of group action..but isn't that what a Community run club is all about.
The action doesn't need to be an immediate boycott of games, but perhaps a statement with signatures requesting information/meeting in return for continued support. I wouldn't have thought that unreasonable. Surely supporters have the right to know what it is they are actually supporting
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
You both seem to denounce the idea of group action..but isn't that what a Community run club is all about.
Sorry Pink but you've lost me there, as this is not a Community run Club.
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
Both of you know a little bit more about the current internal machinations of the club than I.
:laughcry: I don't know where that idea came from, but with regards to me knowing what's currently going on at the Club, I really doubt that I know anymore than you. :laughcry:
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
You seem to be suggesting that SC may have soften his stance towards " Community " aspects and maybe The Trust.
I don't think that was suggested by either Tony or me. I'm certainly not aware of either of those things happening.
It's a bit late to worry about club finances B&G. :countingmoney:
Well it all seems a bit circular to me.
I mentioned Community because I thought that's what many were working towards or hoping for, but if that's lost on you B & G then.............
Leave be then...I guess that's the Lynn way....some will still be moaning they are customers not supporters this time next year......it was only a suggestion to perhaps be a bit more group organised and communicative with the owner, but hey ho, I sense the appetite may not be there...and I have practically given up on the club at this stage...things have felt stale for way too long for me.
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
You both seem to denounce the idea of group action..but isn't that what a Community run club is all about.
The action doesn't need to be an immediate boycott of games, but perhaps a statement with signatures requesting information/meeting in return for continued support. I wouldn't have thought that unreasonable. Surely supporters have the right to know what it is they are actually supporting
Pink, I think we probably have a different understanding of community run club (which as B&G has said isn't applicable to KLTFC at present anyway). To me, a community run club would engage with it's fanbase, sharing what information it could at an appropriate level and on a regular basis allowing for the fact that some information wouldn't be appropriate to share either due to it's commercially sensitive nature or for confidentially reasons for example. If a community run club was receiving petitions of the manner you are suggesting then I would say it has got a long way off course or needed to work much harder to explain to it's remit to stakeholders.
Quote from: TonyM on March 29, 2025, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
You both seem to denounce the idea of group action..but isn't that what a Community run club is all about.
The action doesn't need to be an immediate boycott of games, but perhaps a statement with signatures requesting information/meeting in return for continued support. I wouldn't have thought that unreasonable. Surely supporters have the right to know what it is they are actually supporting
Pink, I think we probably have a different understanding of community run club (which as B&G has said isn't applicable to KLTFC at present anyway). To me, a community run club would engage with it's fanbase, sharing what information it could at an appropriate level and on a regular basis allowing for the fact that some information wouldn't be appropriate to share either due to it's commercially sensitive nature or for confidentially reasons for example. If a community run club was receiving petitions of the manner you are suggesting then I would say it has got a long way off course or needed to work much harder to explain to it's remit to stakeholders.
Tony, I think you have missed my point completely. The club isn't community based at the moment...we all know that......I don't need you and B&G to tell me that.......but in order to change things for the better, I was just suggesting that some group activity with people coming together might be a positive way of the town coming together to give some idea of how they might like the club run, instead of individuals just bemoaning the fact that they are treated like customers and not fans. If the club was community based this issue or situation would hopefully never arise.
I think our idea of Community based is the same.......maybe you just hope that it will happen sometime in the future, somehow.......with that stance I personally doubt it ever will
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 04:16:35 PM
Well it all seems a bit circular to me.
I mentioned Community because I thought that's what many were working towards or hoping for, but if that's lost on you B & G then.............
Leave be then...I guess that's the Lynn way....some will still be moaning they are customers not supporters this time next year......it was only a suggestion to perhaps be a bit more group organised and communicative with the owner, but hey ho, I sense the appetite may not be there...and I have practically given up on the club at this stage...things have felt stale for way too long for me.
O dear.
It's not a case of something being lost on me.
Of course many would like to see a Community Club, or at least a community organisation being involved but that's not what you said.
Can I politely suggest you read the posts Tony and I made again and then see if you still believe your reply was relevant or indeed accurate.
Obviously if someone is claiming that others have said this, or suggested that, and it's not the case, they're going to respond.
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TonyM on March 29, 2025, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: Pink on March 29, 2025, 02:28:57 PM
You both seem to denounce the idea of group action..but isn't that what a Community run club is all about.
The action doesn't need to be an immediate boycott of games, but perhaps a statement with signatures requesting information/meeting in return for continued support. I wouldn't have thought that unreasonable. Surely supporters have the right to know what it is they are actually supporting
Pink, I think we probably have a different understanding of community run club (which as B&G has said isn't applicable to KLTFC at present anyway). To me, a community run club would engage with it's fanbase, sharing what information it could at an appropriate level and on a regular basis allowing for the fact that some information wouldn't be appropriate to share either due to it's commercially sensitive nature or for confidentially reasons for example. If a community run club was receiving petitions of the manner you are suggesting then I would say it has got a long way off course or needed to work much harder to explain to it's remit to stakeholders.
Tony, I think you have missed my point completely. The club isn't community based at the moment...we all know that......I don't need you and B&G to tell me that.......but in order to change things for the better, I was just suggesting that some group activity with people coming together might be a positive way of the town coming together to give some idea of how they might like the club run, instead of individuals just bemoaning the fact that they are treated like customers and not fans. If the club was community based this issue or situation would hopefully never arise.
I think our idea of Community based is the same.......maybe you just hope that it will happen sometime in the future, somehow.......with that stance I personally doubt it ever will
Pink, apologies if we are talking at cross purposes, maybe the joys of the written word on a forum rather talking over a pint. Just for reference, I was one of the founder members of the Blue & Gold Trust, although posting on here as an individual so please don't take anything posted as 'Trust policy' or something similar. For me, it was a real missed opportunity that in the years since reformation there has been a growing divide between the Trust and the two owners (not apportioning blame here as that is pretty pointless and completely subjective anyway) which has not helped either entity but we are where we are.
I would love to see the fans more actively engaged with the club, be that through forums, fan appointed director, shadow board or one of the other models out there but I think any movement towards this is extremely unlikely whilst SC is still involved with the club, sorry if that isn't proactive enough for you but having spoken with SC on numerous occasions (in a personal capacity) I just don't see how any of those models would fit with his way of running the club. I mentioned Barrie Pierpont's time at the club in my original reply and I think that may have been the sliding doors moment where SC had the chance to change tack but for whatever reason it didn't work out.
Yes ok B& G and Tony probably fair enough looking at the posts.....apologies probably due....the frustration of the whole situation obviously is getting to me......the suggestion/gist behind the posts was meant to be
Don't moan as individuals and expect things to change, if you feel that strongly then consider.acting as a community rather than individuals, come up with some requirements necessary for you as a community to continue to support the club, put them to the owner and if they are not met then don't attend.
I had hoped that that had come over in the posts
Tony, interesting that you mention Cleeve's 'way of running the Club'. Now that is confusing. Does he actually have an MO of running the Club ? I stupidly thought it was all seat of the pants stuff with no real plan from one month to the next. I'm so glad I'm wrong and there is some kind of master plan.
Just read your most recent, kind and illuminating post Tony....many thanks for that.
It just feels like there needs to be a seismic shift for the club to get to where many would like it to be.
Hopefully people can see the suggestion of people coming together with ideas of what they want from the club in order to continue attending matches (and potentially discussing them with the owner ) as a positive not a subversive idea.
People seem to be slowly drifting away in significant numbers for various reasons and the owner doesn't seem to understand why